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JoeA	Centerline Introduction		Lead	[-]
Posts: 2 10/22/09 14:36:09	Tags : None When was the Centerline Berth Introduced on the 42 ? Pros and Cons of Centerline vs Pullman Thank You
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pporcheron	Centerline Introduction	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 67 10/22/09 21:55:23	We have a PULLMAN. PRO: Much larger/nicer shower area CONS: Difficult to make the bed The inboard person has to crawl/jump over the outboard person to use the head at nite Cannot store anything under the bed because of the holding tank smell...unless you seal the drawer area up. Mast noises transmitted directly to your ear since the mast runs down at the head of the bed. Cannot install a bow thruster. I don't know if the anchor locker is different on the centerline but the locker is not deep enough for 200ft of chain. One has to kick the chain around while weighing the anchor otherwise the chain comes off the windlass. I would buy a centerline if I could do it over again Pierre Porcheron SHUMKA #899 #899 2 cabin Pullman
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Sandy Golden	Centerline vs. Pullman	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 51 10/23/09 13:09:27	We have a center line, 2 cabin hull number 974. Love it. THe pullman has too many negatives for me. We have no noise from mast halyard slap, no smells from holding tank and it is easy to make up bed as well as for either wife or me to get into or out of. It is more comfortable than our bed at home. The storage and drawers under the berth is simply great. The one downside was a shower with plastic doors that made it almost impossible to take a shower. We solved that problem (working with Byron Phifer, rigger extraordinaire) and installed a flexible track system (costs less than $50) that is the same type used in hospital ERs to afford privacy. We use a nylon shower curtain. It totally encloses the person taking a shower. No mess and cleanup (wipe down) is less than a few minutes. Great solution. Wife loves it. The only problem is that we went from a shower enclosure in which one could not bend down to pick up dropped soap to a spacious one wherein both the admiral and I can shower together to save water at her command. Now I'm really trapped.
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ajchan		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 255 10/23/09 17:11:42	I'll put a vote in for the Pullman. We have been living aboard for over a year, and we find the use of space in the pullman much better than the centerline queen. Pro's - a real shower stall - big private head that is very usable - berth is usable in a seaway - good storage in the cabin. hanging lockers, shelves, drawers etc. Con's - mate has to climb over to get out out of bed - we're not huge so we've adapted pretty easily. - drawers under bunk are a bear to get out and replace - must be done to reach transducers - I sleep with my head next to a huge lighting rod. It hasn't been a problem so far, but i always wonder what would happen if the mast got hit during the night? I've been on both configurations and I find the pullman a more efficient and useable design for the liveaboard cruiser. If i were doing weekends on the hook, I might find the centerline more appealing, but I won't give up the shower of the pullman for anything! As for halyard slap. a little good seamanship and any line induced noise should go away. Addison Threepenny Opera 1999 C-42 MK II, 2CP Wing #640 http://the-voyages-of-threepenny-opera.blogspot.com/ Last Edited By: ajchan 10/25/09 20:13:29. Edited 1 time.
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khaverland	Centerline!	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1 10/24/09 14:54:45	I'm not clear when the centerline was first introduced, but after our first season with Hull #1006 we are extremely pleased with our boat. We considered a pullman but the gymnastics required for one of us to get out, and the dificulty of making the bed lead us towards the centerline berth and we are very happy we did it. We spend two to three nights a week during the summer on board (more if we can get away with it) both on the hook and in marinas and are happy to have made the trade off vs. the larger head. If a larger shower and head are important to you, take a hard look at it. The Admiral and I are happy we have the centerline. Kirk Haverland #1006 Wind Load
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ajchan		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 255 10/25/09 20:27:47	I don't know if the anchor locker is different on the centerline but the locker is not deep enough for 200ft of chain. One has to kick the chain around while weighing the anchor otherwise the chain comes off the windlass. Pierre Porcheron SHUMKA #899 Its a little off topic, but we carry 2 300 foot rodes on Threepenny Opera. Our primary is 300 feet of 5/16" HT attached to a 55lb Rocna and the secondary is 100 feet of 5/16" HT and 200 feet of double strand attached to a 44lb Bruce. Both rodes plus a boat hook, a bucket , a couple of chain hook snubbers on 30 odd feet of double braid and a 25 foot coiled hose all sit in our anchor locker without too much difficulty. I have to be careful with the last 30 feet of so of chain from the primary because it tends to pile up under the windlass, but otherwise everything works fine. Once I get the energy, I'll replace the double braid on the secondary with 6 or 8 braid and there should be enough room for the chain on the primary to fall without any worries about bunching. If your chain is coming off the windlass, have you looked at the gypsy to see if there is any abnormal wear? Addison Threepenny Opera 1999 C-42 MK II, 2CP Wing #640 http://the-voyages-of-threepenny-opera.blogspot.com/ Last Edited By: ajchan 10/25/09 20:31:08. Edited 2 times.
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sailordan2		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 48 10/26/09 17:55:25	I've had both, the centerline being on my prevous 30' boat. I slept in the saloon berth because I hated crawling into the bow to make it up. I find the pullman easier to make up then my old v-berth. I thought I would enjoy the pullman but lately I am wishing I didn't have it, mainly due to in-the-mast halyard rattling. Has anyone switched to putting their head towards the bow and does that work? We have tried several different ways to determine what line is rattling and using different tension schemes to resolve it. Any other ideas? Sailor Dan SV Lydia Grace C42 #429
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pporcheron	Centerline vs pullman anchor locker	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 67 10/26/09 21:39:24	Addison, Our windlass was replaced during commisionning for the 1200 model. It never worked correctly from day one. From your description the centerline locker has to be much larger than the pullman model. My windlass discharges very close to the aft wall of the locker. My next fix will be to add an extra roller to bring the chain to the center of the area. If this dosn't fix it I will extend the bottom of the locker. SHUMKA #899 #899 2 cabin Pullman
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capt Bear	PULLMAN	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 71 10/27/09 11:17:15	I have the pullman, I enjoy it very much, love the large head and shower that are forward. storage underneath berth is the draws and dont have to remove them to get at the transducers, there is a seperate access hatch in the deck to gain access to the trancducers. I like the arrangement of the draws and lockers, only down side is in my boat I had A/C installed and one of the airhandlers went in my hanging locker, not a good choice, but I was limited. But on the new boats built in Florida, I think you have an A/C option. Mast noise, I keep all my halyards tight and hence have no halyard slap noise. My main halyard comes off and is secured to a life line. My spare halyard is tight and put on oneside of the deck light then the other side of the drum for the inboom furler thats on the face of the mast and snaped on the eye just below that is used as the lead eye for the furler line. As far as foul odors coming from under the berth, I would second that. However I have started using seazyme and it has really muted the odor. At first this was an issue. I still have an odor but now it comes from the Shower, cant figure it out, I am leaning to it having something to do with the vents. so going to install vent line filters and hope that fixes it. Overall I am happy with the pullman and the space I have, I think that it will be easier to fix up the pullman for use in a sea way, as well as converting one of my aft cabins to storage and the other to a seaberth for use by the off watch. (hotrack).
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KevinKing	Another vote for Pullman	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 37 10/27/09 12:27:02	As liveaboards, we like the pullman for all the reasons already mentioned, plus the ability for one person to be able to "hit the head", while the other is in the shower (happens most every morning). We reserve the aft head for the occational guest. No halyard noise or smell (yet). Kevin 2007 2 cabin pullman
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ajchan		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 255 10/28/09 04:49:51	pporcheron wrote: Addison, Our windlass was replaced during commisionning for the 1200 model. It never worked correctly from day one. From your description the centerline locker has to be much larger than the pullman model. My windlass discharges very close to the aft wall of the locker. My next fix will be to add an extra roller to bring the chain to the center of the area. If this dosn't fix it I will extend the bottom of the locker. SHUMKA #899 Pierre Threepenny Opera is a 2 cabin Pullman, that's why I was curious about your comment regarding the 200 feet of chain slipping off your gypsy. When you upgraded to the 1200 model was it a straight bolt in? or did you have to modify the windlass mounting platform to handle the larger size? Also have you pulled apart your gypsy wheels to see if they are a proper fit for your chain? Addison Threepenny Opera 1999 C-42 MK II, 2CP Wing #640 http://the-voyages-of-threepenny-opera.blogspot.com/
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ajchan		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 255 10/28/09 05:04:33	sailordan2 wrote: ..... I thought I would enjoy the pullman but lately I am wishing I didn't have it, mainly due to in-the-mast halyard rattling. Has anyone switched to putting their head towards the bow and does that work? We have tried several different ways to determine what line is rattling and using different tension schemes to resolve it. Any other ideas? Dan are you sure its the main halyard that is rattling and not the pennant halyards? I know that if I pull the courtesy flags up to high on the starboard halyards that I'll get some rattling if the wind is gusty. If I leave it about 6" down from the spreader it ceases to be a problem. I have my Davis radar reflector mounted on the port spreader and in that case, I installed another block about 18" inboard on the spreader so the reflector can hang correctly. I've further dampened any motion by typing a loop of line from the bottom of reflector to around the descending part of the halyard Unless there is a strong wind, in which case the rigging is starting to whine, there is no rattling. Addison Threepenny Opera 1999 C-42 MK II, 2CP Wing #640 http://the-voyages-of-threepenny-opera.blogspot.com/
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garrywillis		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 368 10/28/09 08:26:45 Moderator	Before this thread gets tooooo hijacked.....I'll bring it back to the original question. =)) I believe the first centerline berths were built in 2000. We were over at Catalina Island this past weekend and were moored next to hull #731. We came to find out that this boat was originally owned by a friend who had bought one of the original centerlines from the factory. So this should finally answer the question. Year 2000 and hull number 731 . Garry "Breezn" #502 2-Cabin Marina del Rey, Ca.
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JoeA		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 10/29/09 19:02:21	Thank You for all the information and great replies Joe
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pporcheron	Centerline vs pullman anchor locker	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 67 11/02/09 07:07:48	Addison, The windlass mounting plate had to be redone. There is no problem with the gypsy. I just made a braket and added another roller so that the chain discharges away from the aft wall. The chain still piles up in a cone and when it comes within 10 inches from the discharge roller it comes off the gypsy. I am now thinking that the problem could be the chain itself, allowing this piling up instead of slipping to the side. Pierre #899 2 cabin Pullman
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CaptNorm42		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 680 11/02/09 20:13:43 Moderator	The story is actually a bit more interesting. The way I heard it, someone went to a boat show & fell in love with another boat in the 42' range, but it was out of his price range. This guy bought a new standard pullman C42, had it shipped to Marina del Rey and had a local rigger rip out everything forward of the mast. He then hired someone, think from Redondo Beach, to custom make a centerline berth... He then showed it to Catalina & they adopted the design. The more I think about it, I think it was hull 652, C-Weed, I would guess early 1998. ~~~~_/)~~~~ Norm Perron, Hull #600/2 cabin, Aphrodisiac, Marina del Rey, CA
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captainhendo	Pullman/Anchor Winch	#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2 11/19/09 21:56:20	We own Namche (467) 2 Cabin Pullman, I feel the noisy mast rattles come from the cables in the conduits running up the mast. We reduce this dramatically by cranking up the tension on the Boom Vang and Main sheet while at anchor. We also experience chain piling up in the anchor locker due to the chain having to slide down the wall so to speakl, surprised Catalina run with this problem for so many years. I'm considering replacing the winch with a surface mount type on a platform inside the locker giving a central feed point
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