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jerrygagerman	Primary winch upgrade		Lead	[-]
Posts: 95 04/17/06 07:29:45	Tags : None I'm in the process of upgrading my primary winches (Lewmar 50s) to new Lewmar 54s. I was limited to the 54s because of the size of the moulded in combing pocket designed to accept the primary winches. The problem with the old 50s is the old "wavespring" design - no spring loading to grab the lines. On my 1994 two cabin model, (hull #431) access to the starboard winch base is easy. There is a teak access plate in the overhead of the aft stateroom which is directly below the winch base, and the nuts can be easily removed. However, the port winch is directly above the passageway in the galley, & I couldn't find any means of access to the winch base. Does this mean I must cut into the overhead liner? Is there an aluminum plate which has been threaded to accept the winch base bolts? Is anyone aware of an access to this winch base? I can't believe this installation would be designed so that winch replacement would require interior surgery, & don't want to start drilling until I have better information. Thanks for any advice. Jerry Gagerman C-42 #431 Current Sea
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sashay567	Re: Primary winch upgrade	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 240 04/17/06 11:03:54	Jerry, I don't know if this would apply to your boat but on my 2 cabin MkII, inside the top compartment of the pantry, in the overhead, there is a round screw in access port. Behind the port are the winch mounting bolts. Rodney Kidd, C-42 #567 Sashay, 2 Cabin Fin, Marina Village, Alameda, CA
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lakandjc	wincch	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 151 04/17/06 13:00:10	Jerry - Yeah, I have the same on #450. Hopefully I'll never have to replace the winch but I would welcome input from other two cabin owners on this. James s/v White Star Puerto Vallarta
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garrywillis	Re: Primary Winch Access	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 368 04/17/06 14:15:59 Moderator	Jerry & James, There should be an inspection port - as Rodney suggests - to access the nuts for the primary winch on the overhead in the pantry. If not, you should be able to access the nuts from the "garage" as there is a gap in between the cabinet and overhead. The winch is mounted with an embedded backing plate and thru bolted. Garry Willis "Breezn" #502
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lakandjc	winch replacement	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 151 04/18/06 06:16:45	All: It seem that Garry and Rodney have Mk IIs and Jerry and I have Mk Is and that is the critical difference. Because on our boats there are no access ports in either galley cabinet nor is there room to reach in from the garage; only about a 1 inch gap. Sounds like time for the Sawz-All. Perhaps some older hands on this forum can help us out on whether the winches are screwed into plates or if we have to cut holes somewhere. James s/v White Star Puerto Vallarta
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nickwigen	Re: winch replacement	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 275 04/18/06 08:54:17	Our MkI is a 3 cabin and has a plywood access ports on both sides so not much direct help to you. I seriously doubt that Catalina bolted the winches in place before assembling the deck and liner so if there is no way to reach the back side it seems likely they embedded an aluminum plate at the winch base and it's been drilled and tapped like for the other deck hardware. I suggest you try removing the base bolts from above before cutting into the liner. If they are threaded into an embedded plate then no problem. If they are through-bolted with nuts you'll find out when they just spin round and round - then get out the Sawzall.
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jerrygagerman	Re: winch replacement	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 95 04/19/06 07:25:37	Thanks to all. I checked again, and couldn't find any neans of access to the underside of the port primary winch. This must be particular to the Mk I two cabin model. I have one of the last built before the switch to Mk II. I have used a rotozip before rather than a sawzall to open holes in sealed areas of the boat, & will probably use the same tool to cut into the overhead. Depth control of the cut, as in a router, is easily set. Will the factory know if such surgery is necessary? This kind of installation doesn't seem common for Catalina. Jerry Gagerman C-42 #431- Mk I two cabin Current Sea
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garrywillis	Re: winch replacement	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 368 04/19/06 08:29:28 Moderator	Gerry, I'm checking with the factory foreman (and others) and will get back to you when I get an answer. Garry Willis "Breezn" #502
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garrywillis	Re: winch replacement	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 368 04/19/06 09:10:46 Moderator	Well, it seems that you will have to add an inspection port under the port primary winch. I would drill some small holes where you think the winch is and then cut a 6" hole and install an inspection port there once the job is finished. This is what the factory advises at this time. Garry Willis "Breezn" #502
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jerrygagerman	Re: winch replacement	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 95 04/19/06 09:12:25	Thanks Gary. All of us really appreciate your work. Jerry Gagerman C-42 # 431 Current Sea
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lakandjc	winnce replacement	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 151 04/19/06 14:15:57	Gary - thank for helping us with that info. I hope I never need it as they put Lewmar 54s on our boat from new and they seem to be in good shape. But you never know... James Collins White Star, #450 Puerto Vallarta
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jerrygagerman	Re: winnce replacement	#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 95 04/24/06 14:28:51	Mission Accomplished. This last weekend, I was able to completely change the winches from 52s to 54s. Garry, thanks for the advice. Cutting the inspection port was very easy, even though it was a little dusty. I had to drill all new holes for the 54s, but that wasn't difficult. A word of caution to all, however. We have owned our 42 since it was built, & this was the first time I actually worked on the bolts holding the primary winches to the combings. The nuts holding the winch bolts were not very tight. Even though I had never noticed any play in the winches, perhaps everyone should check the tightness (or loosness) of the bolts holding your primary winches. Makes me nervous to think what could happen if a winch came loose while under heavy load. For those of you with a Mk I two cabin, cutting the access port is relatively easy. Jerry Gagerman C-42 #431 Current Sea
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