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Dave Bolding |
Honda 2000 Generator |
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On a 1995 42 Catalina with a Freedom 20 inverter/charger, will the honda 2000 gererator charge the batteries if adapted to the shore power inlet? I'm getting conflicting answers. I would like to hear from someone thats doing it or who has tried. The tech at Xantrex says no. He said the minumum generator was a 6.5 kw. However, I remember in the old forum somebody was doing it with no problems.
Dave Bolding, #462/2 cabin, Main Squeeze, Ventura CA
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jbmason |
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Dave,
I think there is an ongoing thread on the C36 website on this issue. I would think that it would provide sufficient power to run the existing charger. Someone probably knows the amperage draw of the charger vs the output of the Honda generator. |
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ragtime |
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I successfully used my 1000watt Honda to charge the batteries with my Heart Inverter/Charger. We used it extensively on an ICW/Bahamas trip in 1999/2000. The 1000watt generator might be different from the later 2000watt models so your experience might be different.
Initially, the generator would not drive the charger. It would just shut down like there was no input AC. I contacted the Heart people and they had a tech notice addressing the problem which they sent me. The issue is that the charger has a Power Factor which causes it to look electrically like a motor. All you need to do is to put a motor starting capacitor across the output of the generator. I don't recall all of the details but I believe I used a 50mfd capacitor. I built a little plastic box with a plug on a pigtail to plug into the Honda, and a 110v female socket on a pigtail to connect to the AC dockwire input to the boat. I made it a separate little device so I could use the generator without the capacitor in the circuit, if necessary. The capacitor is simply inside the watertight box across the AC line. It worked perfectly. With the capacitor in the circuit the 1000W Honda would charge the house batteries at 40 to 50 amps. One thing to note is that the Heart Interface was very sensitive to the frequency of the AC input. The 1000W Honda has a guage and adjusting screw to set the AC frequency to exactly 60 cycles. When the frequency is only slightly off the charging current would fall to about 20 amps. Also, on calm days at anchor, we typically put the generator in the dinghy and ran it there. This eliminated all the noise, vibration, and exhaust fumes. The Hondas a pretty quiet anyhow, but almost undetectable when running in the dinghy. |
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Dave Bolding |
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Ragtime,
Thanks for the info. I emailed you with more questions but in case you don't get it I will ask here also. Will the Honda 1000 operate the hot water heater (Seaward 11 gal), I believe it is 750 watts? If the Honda 1000 will charge the batteries and heat the water (not at the same time) this would be great! It's lighter, smaller and cheaper. Also is your Heart inverter/charger a Freedom 20? Dave Bolding, #462/2 cabin, Main Squeeze, Ventura CA
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ragtime |
Honda Generator/Heart Interface | #4 | ||
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Dave,
The thing to consider here is the kind of load you put on the generator. The water heater is a pure resistance load. The Honda 2000 will drive it just fine with no modifications, but it probably draws about 10 amps at 110v. This may be at the limit of what the generator can realistically handle. I doubt if the Honda 1000 can handle the water heater. The Freedom 20 is a reactive load. It therefore is affected by the affects of alternating current (AC). This is why you will need a capacitor on the generator. You might look on the internet for a tutorial on AC Power Factor to understand it. I don't know if you could run both the water heater and the Freedom 20 at the same time off a Honda 2000. If you can you would need to do it with the capacitor in the circuit. The capacitor would not affect the water heater since it is just a resistance load, but it might change the amount of capacitance you need for the charger. In any event, I would probably not try to use them simultaneously as the load on the generator would be nearing its limit. One thing you need to check. My Honda 1000 was a 1999 model. At that time, the Honda 1000 was a motor and an AC generator. I have been told that the new Hondas consist of a motor, a DC generator and an inverter. This might change the whole picture. I would try to find a Honda tech rep and discuss it with him. I don't know if you could use the same solution that I used. The tech folks at Xantrex might also give you some advice. Tell them you know that there is a tech note about using Honda generators with the Freedom inverters. My inverter was a 1998 Freedom 20 with a Link 1000 Controller. Gerry Ragtime C42 108 |
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captrick |
Honda 2000 Generator | #5 | ||
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The Seaward water heater draws 1500W. Seaward has an optional 1000W element that can be installed. Or you can use a 1500W lamp dimmer to reduce power to the heater.
Rick 704-3 |
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ragtime |
Honda Generator/Heart Interface | #6 | ||
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Dave,
I didn't get your email. My email address is ragtime99@comcast.net Gerry |
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andredb |
Honda | #7 | ||
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Dave, I have the Honda 2000
It does charge the batteries-slowly I also run it when I have a heavy load-ie meal times on the mooring -lights ,micro(inverter) stereo etc The real benefit is hot water in 30 minutes or less. However it won't run the Charger and water heater at the same time. I usually try and run it dry and store it in the Starboard lazerette. according to my wife--the hot water alone made it a worthwhile investment Andre.d.B. Aranui #749 ( 3 Cabin) |
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CaptNorm42 |
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I googled lamp dimmer 1500 and found
www.growinglifestyle.com/us/article/s0/a1751139.html for $145, ouch. That's why I did the $7 or so power rectifyer & a heat sink. I also put a bypass switch (another buck or less at home depot) to get 1500 watts when on shore power. I've installed this setup on my boat and a few others. A lot less $$$ and works great. Keep in mind, if you swap out the heating element, it always heats at that wattage, even when have plenty of power. A Honda 1000 is rated at 900 watts continous. My rectifyer scheme draws about 750 watts. If anyone wants more info on my rectifyer scheme, let me know. I took photos of my last one. ~~~~_/)~~~~
Norm Perron, Hull #600/2 cabin, Aphrodisiac, Marina del Rey, CA |
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CaptNorm42 |
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<<It worked perfectly. With the capacitor in the circuit the 1000W Honda would charge the house batteries at 40 to 50 amps.>>
A buddy had a 45 amp charger, did not work with Honda EU1000i, with discharged batteries. He got a 35 amp charger, works all the time. My C42 came with a 35 amp Pro Mariner charger. Works perfectly all the time. <<The 1000W Honda has a guage and adjusting screw to set the AC frequency to exactly 60 cycles.>> This is the 1st I've heard of this screw, probably for older model. Are you talking about a Honda EU1000i, the current model? ~~~~_/)~~~~
Norm Perron, Hull #600/2 cabin, Aphrodisiac, Marina del Rey, CA |
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CaptNorm42 |
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<<I have the Honda 2000. The real benefit is hot water in 30 minutes or less.>>
Part of the problem is you don't know when have hot enough water. That's why I got an indoor-outdoor digital thermometer to measure water heater temp. When running off the generator, I stick the outdoor sensor inside the insulation in the heater. A bit of a pain to get to it, but I feel worth it. When I'm done, I take it out as don't want to subject that sensor all the time. When I see about 105 degrees in my less-than-perfect sensor location, I figure there's enough heat for a few showers. A few stats: 750 watt EU1000i, from 80 deg to 103 in 35 mins (.66 deg/minute), about 72 deg outside. One shower brought to 91.5 (drop 11.5 deg). ~~~~_/)~~~~
Norm Perron, Hull #600/2 cabin, Aphrodisiac, Marina del Rey, CA |
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