Any thoughts on good external wi fi antenna to obtain to hook to lap top. Current lap top will be replaced. Any thought on type to buy? Thanks
Sandy Golden
Sweet Angel
C42 Hull 974
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Any thoughts on good external wi fi antenna to obtain to hook to lap top. Current lap top will be replaced. Any thought on type to buy? Thanks
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Sandy -
There are a number of ways to obtain an internet connection: 1. DSL or cable service dockside 2. Wireless PC cards 3. Wireless receivers It depends on whether you'll want the internet connection to be stationary or mobile and availability of service(s) in your area. The issue of which laptop to buy is best left to a PC or Mac salesman who can assess your computing requirements, budget and wireless needs. It sounds like Norm may be close by and able to help you but I'm happy to respond if you have additional questions.
Kirk Leavy 'aka 'aka - 2006 C42 MkII 2-Cabin Pullman, Fin #931 - Kapolei, Hawaii
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ajchan |
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Hi Sandy
Here are a few things I've learned over the past year or so of trying to connect into my yacht club's hotspot. I work from my boat during the summer months, so it was pretty important that I get decent internet connectivity. 1. WiFi is a form of 2 way radio communication between your wifi card/adapter and a wireless router connected to the internet. It isn't just enough to receive distant signals, your equipment also has to also be able to transmit at a power high enough for the wireless router to receive and acknowledge your signal. Is the equipment used to create the hotspot you are connecting to, of sufficent quality to support comms at the distances you require? If not, there may not be a lot you can do to improve matters. I've been in a few marina's this summer where no way no how was I able to connect, when upon fiurther investigation the hotspot was created by a no-name wireless router hooked up to the marina manger's DSL. 2. Are you going to be using your WiFi rig from the same location? or are you looking to be more mobile? Some of the very high gain antennas tend to be very directional and while their ability to haul in signals is pretty good, they don't work very well on a boat. I once borrowed a friend's D-link Yagi antenna to try once and found it hard to keep a steady signal to my IBM X41. The signal varied between excellent to poor depending on exactly how my boat was lying at the slip. 3. Wifi boosters, at least the Link-Sys model that I tried have proven to be pretty ineffective. Maybe the refurbished unit I bought on line wasn't representative, but I saw absolutely no improvement in signal, at the distances I needed. Maybe others have had better experiences. I have stumbled on a combination of wifi components that is working well for me. I use a Buffalo Ethernet Converter, which acts as very powerful WiFi card, connected to an Omni-12 12dB gain antenna from Radio Labs. http://www.radiolabs.com/ (n.b. the Buffalo in actually widely available for a bit less money, but I elected to buy everything from the same place) With this combination, I can get clean stable maximum bandwidth connections at my slip, which is ~ 1000ft away from the nearest antenna, in all atmospheric conditions. At the moment I have the Omni-12 clamped on my stern rail which is a nuisance because it is about 48" long, but I will mount it up on my radar pole, once I get the proper mounting hardware. The setup will actually work without the Omni12, as the Buffalo comes with a small antenna, but the Omni seems to keep things more stable. I rarely have signal drops when I am using the antenna, and I do IP confernece calls from my PC! There are a couple of minor downsides to the setup. First is the fact that the Buffalo Ethernet converter requires an external power source. It doesn't seem to draw much power, but it will require a small inverter to be operating which may be a problem if the batteries are down. (I have a 300 watt unit for charging little stuff, and 900Ah of house,so it shouldn't be a major problem) Secondly, the Buffalo converter looks like a regular ethernet network connection to my notebook, so there is no simple way to gauge signal strength. Thirdly, the setup of the Buffalo, requires messing around with TCP/IP settings, which isn't difficult, but is still a pain to do if you are moving around constantly. If you are in one place, or at least connecting to the same HotSpot, you won't need to change. It took a fair bit of trial and error to get to this stage, and I think at next spring's dock sale, there will be a few WiFi doodads of questionable effectivness for sale. Good Luck Addison
Threepenny Opera
1999 C-42 MK II, 2CP Wing #640 http://the-voyages-of-threepenny-opera.blogspot.com/
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I've used several, but one stands out. It actually connects via your ethernet connection. No software, very easy, and very powerful. It requires either
12 Volt or 110, and is weatherproof. Check it out at www.portnetworks.com (MWB-200). It's a little pricey, but
the performance is exceptional. I think they now offer a permanent installation option. The ethernet connection enhances the speed. Good luck!
Steve Snyder #774 www.finelion.net |
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Joe |
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HI Sandy,
I have tried many systems over the years and have found this beats them all. Its cheap and easy to setup. Total cost around $100 and it works with any PC in minutes. Its a wireless USB card and an external directional antenna You connect the external antenna to the card and place the antenna up on a shelf or on your cabin top or even on the mast. Having the wireless card external to the PC (unlike a builtin card) makes a big difference and the external antenna boosts the signal again. You can often use it without the antenna and just place the USB card up on the cabin top using an 8ft USB cable. For extra boost across harbors and very weak signals, attach and point the antenna in the general direction of the shore and off you go. Dont bother with omni directional antennas as they boost is too weak. I found the the Cantenna is too directional and looses signal as the boat moves. http://www.amazon.com/Hawking-HAI15SC-Hi-Gain-Directional-Antenna/dp/B0000DIET2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-8018150-7051130?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1189118028&sr=8-2 http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-G-USB-Network-Adapter/dp/B000HCMTJG/ref=sr_1_3/104-8018150-7051130?ie=UTF8&s=musical-instruments&qid=1189118270&sr=8-3 I just used this setup at the weekend anchored 1/2 mile offshore and had enough speed for Skype calls. All the best ... Joe #872 |
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Since this is being discussed at this time, I'd like to share with the group how I connect to WiFi access points. I had Garhauer make a rail attachment and base for a 6.5' thick wall 1" stainless tubing. I mounted a 8dBi Hyperlink HGV2409U omni antenna on top of the pole. Actually, it would be best to just click this link as there are photos & a detail description of antenna options, http://www.catalina42.org/war-sail/ I ran LMR400 coax to the nav station (terminated with an N female connector), so can use the antenna below in all weather. See below, as my next task is to change that coax. Since I created that page, I started using a much better client device, an EnGenius 200mw EUB-362 with an external connector. This is a USB device that has a removable antenna. I have an adapter that converts the EUB's connector to an N male connector. This way, I can connect the EUB to the LMR400 coax, and run the supplied USB cable to a laptop computer. EnGenius has both XP & Vista drivers, so that's not a problem. I also find NetStumbler (see the discussion about it in the link above) works perfectly with it in either operating system. There are times that the 8dBi antenna does not have enough gain, so I also have a 12' LMR400 coax cable with a RP-SMA Male plug (which attaches to the EUB) on one end and an to N male connector on the other. I have a HG2415U-PRO 15dBi omni antenna that I can run up the flag halyard and thru the small hatch above the nav station on a 2-cabin. This way I have a very high gain antenna with very little loss up pretty high so have a much longer WiFi range. At times I've use my 16dBi yagi directional antenna lying on top of the cabin. That looks pretty intimidating, so I don't use that too often. The yagi does have one great feature that it is very directional so it rejects other AP's outside of it's beam, but it is more difficult to aim. By the way, NetStumbler will draw a real-time graph showing the signal & noise strength as you move a directional antenna in different directions--fantastic. Change that coax--I found LMR400 cable does attenuate the signal about .1dBi per foot. The 35' coax from the antenna to the nav station makes me lose about 3.5dBi. My next plan is to use the 12' LMR400 mentioned above from the antenna to the EUB, which will be permanently mounted in the aft cabin. Then I would run a 15' USB and a 15' active USB cable to the nav station. I've tested this to find these is no signal loss with active USB cables. Basically, this change will increase the signal about 2.3dBi.
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Norm Perron, Hull #600/2 cabin, Aphrodisiac, Marina del Rey, CA |
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I also use the EUB-362 and find it works well. In the slip I use the small built-in antenna and set it on top the nav station with USB to the PC. For longer
distance, I strap a 9 dB omni antenna on the boom and run 12' low-loss cable to the EUB in aft cabin then USB to nav station. Works fairly well unless
another boat in the way but I have not had good results with Skype.
I'd really like a repeater that would rebroadcast locally to create wifi network inside the boat. Has anyone done that? Rick 704-3 |
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CaptNorm42 |
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A repeater is simple. XP & Vista have a feature called Bridge Connections. Lets say you have the EUB connected to a USB port & you have a good signal. You can plug a wireless router to the rj45 on the laptop & turn on Bridge Connections to that LAN port. Windows will bridge your EUB to the rj45 & other computers can connect to your wireless router. I've done this in Coral (Ensenada) with a Vonage wireless router (attached to the rj45 on the laptop) and was able to make a free Vonage phone call to the USA. After that call, another laptop got a wireless connection to the Vonage router. Worked quite well, but Coral doesn't have a high bandwith Internet connection. I actually use Skype quite a bit with my wireless and it is fantastic. I also know Ken F. re-broadcast wireless on his boat, so will let him explain how he does it.
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Norm Perron, Hull #600/2 cabin, Aphrodisiac, Marina del Rey, CA |
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rbetzing |
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I found the EUB-362 at the Keenan Systems Wireless store for $42 + $7 shipping http://www.keenansystems.com/store/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=2&products_id=137
Ron
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captrick |
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Norm,
I want a stand-alone repeater that does not require PC connection. Otherwise, why bother. It needs a hi powered radio with external antenna for the long distance connection and a 2nd radio that will rebroadcast on a different channel locally. Does such a thing exist and what is it called? Rick 704-3 |
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CaptNorm42 |
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Rick,
What I believe you're looking for is a Bridge. It can have an external antenna with a rj45 connector to a computer or wireless router. Years ago I had a Linksys WET11. Problem was you needed to configure it for the SSID you want to communicate with. So, it you subscribe to something like iDock, works great. But if you go somewhere different, you need to scan for available SSID's on a computer, then configure the bridge for that one. At least, I'm pretty sure that's the way it was a few years ago, they may have got smarter. The advantage of using Bridge Connections is you scan for SSID's, find your best signal with something like NetStumbler, then bridge that connection to a wireless router. I also have a Linksys Range Expander, but it also needs to be configured to a SSID & channel #. Ron, I've bought some EUB-362's from Keenan Systems Wireless, excellent vendor, great price. Your link is for an external. If anyone buys one, be sure to pay the little extra for an external antenna version, as it is just a bit confusing--non-external is also called a EUB-362.
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Norm Perron, Hull #600/2 cabin, Aphrodisiac, Marina del Rey, CA |
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