The lower portion of my port pole seems to have raised up..hopefully not disconnected. How might one adjust this. Is there any drawings of the shroud/deck chainplate arrangement.
thanks
John chase@vanave.cm
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vanave |
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I have a a mark 1 1990 3 cabin. I need info on the type of connection between the shroud deck pate and the attachment to the hull. Inside the salon there is a stainless pole from the cabin top to the counter tops . The bottom of the pole is then attached to the hull. My question...the bottom of the pole seems to be threaded into the hull connection...how is the top of the pole connected to the underside of the deck plate?
The lower portion of my port pole seems to have raised up..hopefully not disconnected. How might one adjust this. Is there any drawings of the shroud/deck chainplate arrangement. thanks John chase@vanave.cm |
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rlp43 |
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John,
I'm familier with the lower portion of the port chainplate. (The whole thing is called a chainplate.) On my boat, a 1989 three cabin pullman, the void that te bottom of the chainplate is located in, is used as a plenum chamber for my A/C. I can gain access to this void from behind the angled settee back behind the cushon. On my boat, the previous owner cut through the fiberglass seat back to gain access to it. It is now sealed with a thin piece of plywood and sealant to keep the cold/hot air from leaking out. If there's no hole there, I don't know how else you'd get to it. Bob P Centuria, #100 |
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tinolanza |
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The factory was able to send us drawings of this connection, which I have at the boat. I'll try and post them this weekend.
My recollection is that the pole is threaded at both ends. With the shrouds removed there should be a little play in the assembly, say 1/16". The procedure for adjusting the chain plate requires that you take the tension off all the stays including the backstay. Then remove the shrouds for the chainplate you would like to adjust. At this point you can remove the four screws which enables you to adjust the tension on the pole much like a turn-buckle. Once properly tensioned and bedded, you can re-attach everything in reverse order and tension all stays. Rebedding the chain plate has been on my to-do list for a while as we have indication of a water leak on the starboard side. It just hasn't become an urgent repair. Hopefully this spring... Tino Lanza, Dancing Dolphin (#739/3 cabin pullman, Westlake Village, CA)
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vanave |
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thanks
Bob my boat already has access to the lower portion. Tino...I would appreciate receiving a copy of those drawings I will also follow your suggestions. John sv chase #208 chase@vanave.com |
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tinolanza |
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Here's a link to the drawing:
chainplate assembly Tino Lanza, Dancing Dolphin (#739/3 cabin pullman, Westlake Village, CA)
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oscar |
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Looking at the drawing and by my (vague) recollection the top of the rod is not threaded, but welded. (I could be wrong).
If this is the case it's a matter of turning the lower turn buckle untill you can JUST get the pin in with light tapping with a hammer. (grease it). Indeed get ALL the load off this thing before doing that. Not sure you have to remove the shrouds all the way. Zero tension, maybe even a little weight DOWN would be plenty relief. If you want to re-bed you can lift the rod up and stick something under it (I'm thinking a piece of 4x4). If you are worried about the mast (it is keel stepped and won't go too far) you can run a halyard to the base of a stanchion. |
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tinolanza |
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My partner Gary and I finally got around to rebedding the chainplate. We had some rust on the starboard side indicating water penetration. So it was time for this maintenance task. Here is what we experienced.
To start, we carefully released the load on all the stays, a couple of turns at a time including the back stay. We used our spare genoa haylard and main haylard as temporary shrouds. Once loose, we disconnected the shrouds from the chainplate by pulling the pins. Working from below, we now worked to free the tension on the rod. We have a 3 cabin so the starboard side was more difficult while the port side had very easy. Once the tension was release (by turning the rod), we removed the pin and un-bolted the chainplate and its backing plate. About the rod, it is indeed threaded only on the lower side. The top is like a big screw head (we really could see it) with a collar that is welded to the chainplate. This allows for some play essential for alignment and also allows one to adjust the tension by turning the rod (with the cotter pin out). Upon removing the chainplate, we did confirm rust and water penetration. The deck appears to be properly sealed at the hole (either solid fiberglass or epoxy). However the space between the deck and headliner was not filled. Water could get in and travel between the deck and headliner down the sides and into the bilge. We applied enough bedding compound to get everything covered. After rebedding the chainplate, we evenly torqued the bolts to the backing plate, happy to see bedding compound oozing around the collar from inside the boat. We reconnected the pin, turning the rod until it easily slipped in and then tightened the rod until taut and the cotter pin could be re-inserted. The finally task was to reinstall all the stays putting back the same number of turns on each. Considering the visible rust on the starboard connecting hardward (behind the sink), we are happy to have eliminated this source of water. It turned out to be a manageable maintenance task. Tino Lanza, Dancing Dolphin (#739/3 cabin pullman, Westlake Village, CA)
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Tony,
I have been reading your post from last year regarding the rebedding of your starboard chainplate. We got caught in some very heavy seas last week going from Dana Point to Avalon (samll craft wrnings) The boat did great! However, we noticed a substantial leak in, you guessed it, the starboad chainplate. I talked to Kent at Catalina and got a run down on the rebedding procedure. Yours was even more helpful. Did you release the back stay as well? Any other thoughts on this matter? Thanks Mark "Izablue" 835/ 3 center |
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This job has been on my list for 2 years. I have a bit of rust and salt on both inside plates but have never been able to find a leak. It probably only happens
under load. I'm glad to hear its a DIY job as I was going to use a rigger. Great info.
Rick 704-3 |
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tinolanza |
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Yes, we released the backstay as well as the shrouds since this provides some compression of the mast, but especially since it is offset. As long as you count
the number of turns, it should be a relatively straight forward task.
Since doing this job, there is no longer any leak and the rust stains on the chainplate assemby have not grown.
Tino Lanza, Dancing Dolphin (#739/3 cabin pullman, Westlake Village, CA)
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Do others have rust stains around the bolts on the chainplates on the deck. Same question re: the bolts in the backstay chainplate. i replaced the backstay
bolts once due to a rusty appearance but didn't really see anything wrong with the old bolts once they were removed.
Colin |
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