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steveleshner |
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I just hauled out and found that my rudder needs replacing because of severe pitting on the rudder shaft.I was prepared to hear the news(surveyor was pretty sure it was shot)My boat is a 1993 2 cab with not alot of miles on her.She probably sat in Del Rey most of her life with not much use and alot of electric activity in th e water.Has other older 42 owners had rudder probs like mine?Thanks for your response, I am really enjoying reading about our boats in this forum.
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oscar |
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I have just ordered a replacement rudder....est $1700 and change, including $150 or so for shipping via common carrier. (Could be more, no quote up front available.)
I tried to get it on a boat coming this way, and had the consent of a local dealer, but Catalina parts is not helpful in that respect, demanding personal consent from said dealer, and not having any information on shipping date of said boat, and not being able to send me in the right direction....seems like too much trouble for them. With the price of gas the 200+ mile round trip in the Suburban to the dealer decreases the advantage anyway. Reason I'm replacing it is because PO bent it, most likely during grounding. Even though the boat sails OK, it dripped out the bottom for days during last haulout. So, it is safe to say there's water in it. Even though I don't expose the boat to sub freezing temperatures, I know the seal at the top of the blade around the shaft is probably compromised, and there is most likely corrosion going on in there. In addition there is a slight crack in the rudder tube, and the Mark-1 play at the non existing bottom bearing, so the whole area needs a once over. You are not the first one reporting the pitting, and, same was suspected in the only loss of rudder I'm aware of. Also an older boat, broke of right where blade and shaft meet.....one day out of Hawaii if I recall correctly. So, I see the writing on the wall, and as I venture a hundred+ or so off shore, solo, twice a year, I figured it was time. Feel free to e-mail me, oscar*at*noln.com, (replace *at* with @) and I'll keep you posted on the DIY removal and relacement, sometime next month. Finally, I know Catalina has modified the rudder in later models. I'm not sure what the modification consists of, and I'm not sure whether changes, if any, have been made to the design of replacement rudders for older boats. I know there's a few people on this forum that can answer that question. Oscar, C-42 #76 Lady Kay Chesapeake/Fort Lauderdale |
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mjk |
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Steve:
Refer to my recent comments to Mal re: "axial play in rudder" regarding the corrosion of the rudder post. I went thru the same problem on my hull #94. I now have a new rudder that does not fit properly and will be replaced again on Catalina's nickel. Problem was that the rudder was cast at the wrong angle of blade to post. The result was that the blade would not go up high enough to allow the top of the post to reach the upper roller pin. It also caused other problems including improper angle of the blade top to the hull shape and binding in the skeg socket. There is also a twist in the blade. With on-site modifications the rudder is in use although not without weatherhelm problems under sail in moderate winds The issue, according to Frank Butler is that the earlier 42's (and I think "earlier" runs from 89 thru 92 or 93 before the rudder design was changed) had each rudder cast and fit to each individual hull. So...make sure you discuss the fit issue on your hull # with Catalina before you order the new rudder. My situation could have been avoided had Catalina informed me of the individual fit. It would have been simple to make a cardboard pattern of the aft end of the skeg, the tube bottom/hull angle and send same to Catalina as a pattern for the new rudder assembly. Anyway, Catalina will fix the problem at next haulout. MJK Splash Dancer II #94 |
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captnron |
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I replaced my rudder on a 1990 fin with the new style deeper version. The fit to the hull was fine in my case. I did not have any of the problems mentioned by MJK. I orderd the rudder from the local dealer and they had it shipped in from the factory with a new boat to their location. I replaced the rudder myself. I did have to dig a 3' hole to get the new one low enought to get the post into the hull. The boat's handling and tracking to weather is improved and weather helm is reduced with the new version.
I have the old one for sale, it suits the wing keel if anyone is interested. Ron |
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steveleshner |
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Catalina told me the new style rudder would not fit on my 1993.I;m not sure why, but they are building me a new one based on my hull#I asked if they wanted to copy my old one(I drive past the factory evry day on the way to work)and they said it was not neccessary-I hope everything works out ok.
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steveleshner |
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I recieved my new rudder last week.It is the new style,longer thinner, sharper etc.It works just fine.I have not sailed it yet but with the combination of a new sleeker rudder and a new max prop I am expecting lots of change.I say it works fine in relation to(it fits !!!!!!!)
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oscar |
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My new one is now sitting in my garage crated up....hauling out Monday. Shipping was $275.00 OUCH!
Captain Oscar, USCG/OUPV C-42 #76 Lady Kay Chesapeake/Fort Lauderdale |
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oscar |
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The new rudder is in.....phew!
Dug a hole almost three feet under the rudder and lowered it using a large ratchet strap....(see your local farm or trucking supply). It was time. There were now multiple holes in the side of the old rudder weeping rusty water, and when I put the old and the new together I could see how bent the shaft really was.... HINT! Clean off all burrs around the holes for the roller pin at the top, or it will booger up the upper bearing on the way down and you will spend an extra hour with a piece of emery cloth smoothing it back out.... I successfully repaired the cracked knee on the rudder tube. Ground it down some, (dremmel tool with sanding drum), then built up three layers of glass matt and three more brushed on layers of West epoxy with 404. It looks much better now. I measured of the old rudder, the tube, up, down, and sideways and drilled the holes in the new tube....(it comes without holes...) HINT! Mount the quadrant after drilling the first hole for the through bolt to locate the exit hole..... Then me and a buddy lifted the new rudder into the hole, on the strap and worked it up into the tube..... HINT! Don't forget the flange for the stuffing box!!!! I still don't know how this can be, but the top holes for the roller pin ended up 1/8" shy, and the rollers would not fit on the pin.... Now you can't drill a 1/2" hole 1/8" up from an existing 1/2" hole so I ended up drilling holes in situ, 90 degrees offset from the first pair. I don't think it will make any functional difference. In order to drill these holes I had to add two access holes in the fiberglass pan that the upper bearing is mounted in. In retrospect I would drill the holes in situ, and use a bit long enough to go through the entire tube, accessing through the existing hole in the pan.... I then performed the "artificial lower bearing replacement surgery" Three holes, on the outside in the protruding part of the rudder tube, six syringes total. That worked out pretty good.....There is no play in the rudder (I had a lot, at least an inch at the bottom of the blade, and the klunking was very noticeable in following seas) so that should be a great improvement. I hope it holds up. So, I feel much better now and I'm glad I did it. The old rudder looked like a failure might very well have happened....not something I want to experience 100 miles off shore by myself next month...... Just another two BU's.... Captain Oscar, USCG/OUPV C-42 #76 Lady Kay 3C/WK Chesapeake/Fort Lauderdale |
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scottthomas |
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Hi Ron,
Is your rudder still for sale? I hit submerged object and my rudder shaft is now bent I might need a replacement. You mentioned that you have a fin keel but the rudder would fit a wing keel is that correct? I own a 1992 Wing keel #333, Miami FL. How old and in what condition is the old rudder? Regards, Scott sthomas447@earthlink.net |
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captnron |
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Scott,
The rudder is in my garage, it is off of hull #224, my understanding is that in those days the same rudder was used for both wing and fin keel. Rudder has several gelcoat blisters but were considered cosmetic by surveyor, shaft it straight, no groundings, I sailed with it for a season after I purchased the boat, no issues. Suggest you email me I would be happy to assist you in any way I can, email ; a1sailor@hotmail.com Ron |
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dbkennedy1 |
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After which hull did they make the change to the rudder?
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