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do335	Spinnaker Pole Bridles		Lead	[-]
Posts: 257 10/23/07 21:15:13	Tags : None I am setting up my spinnaker pole to do dip jibing and are wondering how to install the up haul and down haul bridles. On an end for end jibe set up you install the bridles so they attach to the up haul and down haul in the middle of the pole. On a dip jibe, I don't see the need for the bridle attachment to be in the middle of the pole. I'm thinking of attaching both to the outer end of the pole. Does anyone have experience with this set up? Any suggestions on where to look for examples? Thanks, Steve 642-2f TESA
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sashay567		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 200 10/25/07 07:16:20	Steve, the spinnaker poles on Irish Lady are set up just as you describe. Irish Lady is over at gate 11. Rodney Kidd, C-42 #567 Sashay, 2 Cabin Fin, Marina Village, Alameda, CA
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do335		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 257 10/25/07 13:41:41	Great, I'll go over and take a look soon. Steve 642-2f TESA
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Kirk Leavy		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16 11/14/07 00:20:04	When I purchased my Catalina 42 MkII the previous owner didn't have time to sail with me to explain the spinnaker rigging and I'm having some trouble determining if I have everything I need. I'm hopeful one of you would provide a diagram of your rigging set-up so I can check mine. Here's what I do know - I have a two piece Forespar pole which is track mounted at the heel for lift and storage and a trip piston at the other end. There is a spinnaker halyard and a boom lift which terminate in the cockpit. I have two sheets (one red, one green) and two guys/tweakers (?) (one red checkered, one green checkered and each have slide on plastic discs) and a separate two block and line combination which I assume is part of a double ended fore-guy set-up but it looks completely different than any of the other running rigging. I also have two toe rail mountable stand-up blocks. I'd be willing to post photos of my inventory if it would help. Kirk Leavy 'aka 'aka - 2006 C42 MkII 2-Cabin Pullman, Fin #931 - Kapolei, Hawaii
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yorkrose		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 275 11/15/07 08:19:51	Hi Kirk, I do not have a spinnaker on our C-42, but I am quite familiar with spinnaker rigging on similar boats. Since no one else has responded I will make a couple of comments. * A two-piece pole is generally not recommended for full symmetrical spinnaker use. The forces can be quite large, especially compressive forces. If you are racing, the rules will generally require that the pole is no longer than the "J" of the boat in any case. * The plastic disks are used on the guys to prevent the end of the pole from touching/damaging the snap shackles used to connect the guy and the sheet to the spinnaker. * Generally there is good use for 4 blocks at the rail. Two are at the back of the boat for the spinnaker sheets, and two are in the middle of the boat for the spinnaker guys. Any extra tweakers could require more rigging. * It is really useful to have an extra winch on each side. It is possible to stick with the factory configuration, of course, but it will somewhat awkward to launch and douse, or to jibe efficiently. * It is not clear what you mean by a "boom lift". If this is an extra halyard-like line in front of the mast then it could be used as a spinnaker pole topping lift. If this is the standard boom lift for the mainsail, then it is not relevant. * It is not clear what the purpose of the "two block and line combination" would be. It could be rigged as a foreguy (or downhaul), but I have not seen a block-and-tackle arrangement used for that purpose on a boat of this size. The bigger question is how to anchor the foreguy at the lower end. Has a special fitting or block been mounted on the deck? There are various ways to connect the foreguy to the boat, but the cleanest way is to have a block mounted on centerline aft of the forestay. * Finally, there is nothing particularly special about the C-42 with respect to spinnaker rigging. I suggest you try to talk to any spinnaker expert near you that has a similar sized boat. That person may not know all of the fine details about the C-42, but most of the rigging basics will be similar. Regards, Gene Fuller Yorkshire Rose, C42 #870
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comitti		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 24 11/15/07 14:38:55	Hi Steve On Chimera the topper is attached to the outer end of the pole via a wire cable and ring. This cable is the length of the pole and is held close to the pole when not in use by some shock cord that pulls is back into the inward end of the pole when there is no pressure on it. The shock cord runs internally down the length of the pole, exiting at the inward end through a pully and is attached to the ring, if that makes sense. The downhaul is also attached to the outer end of the pole and goes through a block on the fore deck, through a turning block near the toe rail, through a guide on the cabin top and back to the clutches on the starboard side, where the topper clutch also is. Let me know if you need photos. Also, if any one has had a chance to look at my previous enty regarding the bell housing for the pole and the photos attached I would love some suggestions here. Thanks and regards Phil
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do335		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 257 11/15/07 22:17:03	Thanks Phil. Why not just attach the topping lift for the pole directly to the outer end of he pole rather than to a short cable attached to the outer end? I assumed you do that because it maybe installed on a boat where the normal spinnaker jibe is an end for end rather than a dip jibe. I have installed a dip jibe set up so I don't plan on ever doing an end for end and don't see the need for the short cable attached to the outer end. Steve 642-2f TESA
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Kirk Leavy		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16 11/15/07 22:40:52	Gene et al., Thanks for the input and clarification. You've been very helpful! Kirk Leavy 'aka 'aka - 2006 C42 MkII 2-Cabin Pullman, Fin #931 - Kapolei, Hawaii
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svzephyr44		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 116 11/16/07 06:13:23	I for one would love to see pictures. We have jury rigged for our whisker pole and asymetric and now have acquired a spinnaker pole. With the boat on the hard for the winter this is a good time to plan out where we are going to run the various lines. (Given that it is below freezing here at the moment I think I will postpone actually doing the install for a later day!) This will include attaching a spinnaker bail to the top of the mast and determining how we are going to rig a pole topping lift. We also have to do something about the pole downhaul (foreguy?) I have seen and heard of attaching a block to the deck and/or attaching same to the bottom front of the mast. I am interested in the pros and cons of both options. As amazing as this was to me I have been unable to find any rigging diagram for spinnakers in any book or online on the web. It seems that when you purchase one you are infused by the sea gods with the appropriate knowledge! It must be because it seems to fit into the catagory "everybody knows how to do that!" Well I don't, and could really use some pictures and diagrams. I am particularly interested in the safety aspect of all this. We race in overnight races, so I am very concerned about tripping hazards on the deck. Sheets on the deck are necessary but I want to minimize the opportunity for disaster. Thanks in advance Roger Reboot #493 Roger REBOOT USA 60493 Last Edited By: svzephyr44 11/16/07 06:16:22. Edited 1 time.
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Kirk Leavy		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16 11/16/07 12:36:06	Roger - I'd be glad to photograph my spinnaker configuration and let you know how I solve the foreguy issue. I currently have two clamp on eyes located at the base of the aft pulpit stanchions which I'm planning on using as an attachment point for appropriately sized blocks/shackles. In addition, one more block/shackle will be used for attachment to the pole end. This set-up will allow me to route the fore-guy control line down both sides of the deck to a yet to be determined cleat or winch. I want to make sure I have quick access to all of the controls from the cockpit. Some of this is theoretical at his point as I'm looking at other boats and asking questions of spinnaker experienced sailors. If you have any specific areas where an image would be helpful, let me know and I'll provide them where possible. I'll document my experience and provide details to anyone who is interested. Kirk Leavy 'aka 'aka - 2006 C42 MkII 2-Cabin Pullman, Fin #931 - Kapolei, Hawaii
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sashay567		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 200 11/16/07 12:57:01	All, Forespar has an excellent diagram. I have "lifted" it from their website and added it here. I hope it is not copyrighted. Rodney Kidd, C-42 #567 Sashay, 2 Cabin Fin, Marina Village, Alameda, CA
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tomca		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 80 11/18/07 08:23:11	When rigging the foreguy I mounted a short piece of T-Track between the windless and the forward hatch. This allowed for adjusting the block if need be. The track is through bolted into the forward head/shower stall. It looks like it came from the factory like that and there is minimal tripping or toe jamming issues when the block is removed. On a side note, I really reccomend a carbon fiber pole. It's light weight make it easy to move, and easy to control out on the water. We store ours on the front of the mast, it's light weight also mean it doesn't add to much weight on the mast. Tom Maxwell #766 2-cabin Pullman Dana Point, CA
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comitti		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 24 11/19/07 00:18:40	Steve I do the dip pole too. I dont know why the wire is there, it is a good way to hold the topper out of the way with the shock cord but taking up the slack on the topper gives the same result. Phil
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do335		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 257 11/19/07 10:46:30	For my spinnaker downhaul, I attached a folding padeye on the foredeck just aft of the anchor well hatch. I have a block attached to the padeye that is prevented from flogging the deck by a coil spring holding the block off the deck. A line runs from a cleat on the aft end of the port sheet track, forward and in board of the shrouds and then out to the padeye/block on the foredeck. I can easily control the downhaul line from the cockpit and use a winch to pull in if necessary(rare). The padeye also makes an excellent location to anchor the forward end of my lifelines when I have them installed. The padeye is securely thru bolted with a large backplate under the deck. I attached my turning blocks for the spinnaker to the aft deck cleats using short loop slings. I keep the blocks from flogging the deck by a short bungie cord from each to the top line of the lifeline so the blocks can't normally touch the deck but can move. I can post pictures if anyone is interested. Steve 642-2f TESA
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Kirk Leavy		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16 11/20/07 01:43:07	I'm interested in pictures! Kirk Leavy 'aka 'aka - 2006 C42 MkII 2-Cabin Pullman, Fin #931 - Kapolei, Hawaii
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svzephyr44		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 116 11/20/07 06:17:35	Pictures YES! Roger REBOOT USA 60493
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do335	Pictures of TESA spinnaker pole car set-up and spinnaker sheet block locations	#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 257 12/13/07 21:32:06	Hopefully you can see my pictures on how I set-up my adjustable spinnaker pole car on my mast and how I attach my spinnaker sheet blocks to the rear cleats. It is easy to control the car and it allows you to store pole on front of mast. Steve 642-2f TESA
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Kirk Leavy		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 16 12/14/07 10:58:19	Thanks for the photos. Do you have one showing us how you rig the foreguy? I'm specifically interested in where you attach the forward block to the deck or rails. Kirk Leavy 'aka 'aka - 2006 C42 MkII 2-Cabin Pullman, Fin #931 - Kapolei, Hawaii
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melelana		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 335 12/14/07 14:46:12	Steve, Great shots and a nice looking setup. Do you find the clam cleats adequate or should folks consider cam cleats? I've never been a fan of clam cleats, but like to look of your setup. Larry Melelana Catalina 42 #175 1990 3cbn, wk Solomons, MD
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do335	Down haul padeye photos - I hope	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 257 01/14/08 22:25:36	Hopefully you can see the pictures I have attempted to post. I run a line from the cockpit forward thru this block and up to the spinnaker or whisker pole(the downhaul line isn't shown here). I have a cleat bolted to the far end of the jib car track to cleat off the downhaul line. I can use a winch if necessary. The last two photos shows the back plate for the folding padeye. It is taken from the hatchway between the shower and anchor area looking up. The clam cleats I use for the car lines work great. The line is under slight tension so it keeps the line well locked into the cleats and is easy to do. I would recommend them in this application. Steve 642-2f TESA Last Edited By: do335 01/14/08 22:34:05. Edited 2 times.
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