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hgamsby |
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I was just informed by AB MArine the dealer for autoprop that the autoprop will not fit the Catalina 42 with the Yanmar 4JH4 engine. The RPMs are lower on the new engine requiring a 20" prop that will not fit. What has anyone installed on a new Catalina 42 with the 4JH4? If not the Autoprop what about a Maxprop?
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jbmason |
Autoprop | #1 | ||
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I used the Autostream and have found it as good if not better that the Autoprop I had on my old C36. Less costly than the Autoprop...$1600.00.
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scottthomas |
Autoprop | #2 | ||
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I have an Autoprop and a 4JH2E. I can not recommend the Autoprop because it has to mush maintenance and the expense of new ball-bearings and races makes an expensive prop even more expensive. AB charges a lot for parts and to my knowledge they are the only source.
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jbmason |
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The only maintenance issues that I found with the Autoprop in service on my old C36 in MdR for three years was zinc and the need to rotate the blades during bottom cleaning to break up crusty growth in the warm months. Slamming from forward to reverse also helped to break up the crusty crap that inhibited the blade rotation. The Autoprop is a vairable pitching prop and this inhibition in rotation is a problem in optimumizing performance.
I have not experienced anything like this with the Autostream, however it is a fixed adjustable pitch feathering three blade prop. As long as it rotates forward to reverse the performance does not suffer. Cruises well at 7-7.5 knots. |
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oscar |
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JB, your post got me interested and I contacted the AutoStream folks....however they told me the $1600.- version is a FOLDING two bladed prop (The Slipstream).....for the three bladed feathering (The Autostream) they want $3500.- ish....I'm kenfewsed....
www.seahawk.com.au/conten...u=products |
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jbmason |
Autoprop | #5 | ||
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I purchased the Martec 3 blade feathering prop at the time of commissioning of my 2003 C42 to replace the OEM 3 blade. I actually paid $1650 plus tax. The purchase was arranged through my Catalina dealer and was supposedly a "deal". I still have the OEM 3 blade (new) stowed in the starboard settee.
I was originally planning on purchasing another Autoprop, however the cost difference was what made the decision easy. I recall that the Autoprop was quoted at $2800 with boat show discount from PYA. I am now even more impressed with the Martec as it does everything I wanted without the "crusting" of the Autoprop and I am reinforced with the bargain deal that I originally got at commissioning. I was originally of the immpression that the Autostream was a Martec product but going to the Martec website it does flip you to the Seahawk website. |
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garrywillis |
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Autostream is an Australian made prop that is distributed in the United States by Martec Props of Long Beach, California. With the U.S. dollar shrinking against many currencies it may have gone up in price since 2003.
This prop has become very reliable for Martec and Gary Beck (the owner) has stopped production of his own 3 bladed feathering prop in favor of this new Autostream. Along with JB, I highly recommend this prop. Garry Willis "Breezn" #502
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countferrari |
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I have the Autostream S1 with my 4jh2E. A 19" prop that was first made in 1998. It is distributed by Martec and manufactured by Seahawk in Austrailia. I am impressed with it. It polished up like new on haulout. I get 7-7.5 knots at 2600 RPM through the water and a bit over 8 at wide open throttle.
I was quoted $2500 from Martec for a new prop in October, 2005 as I was researching just what I had on the bottom. I don't need one but I would buy this prop again. It feathers out nicely and has a good reverse. It does walk to port in reverse when you are not moving backwards, but once you get moving it is great. The only maintenance I had to do was replace the cone zinc and put in lithium grease. Piece of cake. S/V Jah Mon,1994, Mark I,Hull #428,Two Cabin,Fin Keel,Anacortes, WA,Puget Sound PHRF 122
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jbmason |
Autoprop | #8 | ||
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Oscar,
I purchased the Martec at the commissioning of my boat via the Catalina dealer in Dec. of 2002 for a 2003 model year C42. They were the ones who got the great price for me on the prop. The low cost was the determining factor btwn Autoprop and Autostream. I really liked the Autoprop but the best I could ever find on pricing was about 10% discount on show specials. |
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captrick |
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I recently removed my 18" Autostream to replace the cutless bearing and installed the original (unused) fixed blade. For about the same full throttle RPM, I get 3/4-1 kt higher boat speed with the fixed, suggesting the Autostream is less efficient. I'm told all feathering props are less efficient than a good fixed blade due to simpler blade design but I did not expect that much difference. Martec says I should have the 19" for my engine and the larger blades can be retrofit for a nice chunk of change.
Biggest plus is in reverse. Fixed prop has much less power and much worse prop walk. The AS maneuvers much better in tight quarters and that will warrant the upgrade. Rick 704-3 |
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nickwigen |
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Hello Rick,
We put the 18" Autostream on our 1990 boat about 3 years ago after running the stock fixed prop for about 2 years. My expereince with boats speed was about the same as yours. I had set the prop according to Autostream's commendations of 19° forward and 14° reverse but the engine wrapped up to full speed and didn't seem to be putting much power into the prop. I spent a couple of hours in scuba gear one afternoon and did a trial and error pitch adjustment. I did a series of tests where I increased the pitch a little then did a full-throttle run. I had to add about 5°-7° to get into an over-pitched condition where the engine wouldn't achieve the full 3600 rpm at full throttle. Then I backed it off a couple of degrees. Once I did that I was able to get as much speed with the Autostream as with the fixed. I don't recall what I ended up with for pitch. I set that up on the bench before installing it and found a single turn of the adjusting screw added 2.6° degrees. (hey, it was winter, I was bored and have a shop full of tools) The 19° wasn't enough so I made the in the water adjustments described above. A couple of points: The reverse pitch is independently adjustable. I left it at 14°. Lower pitch is the reason you have less prop walk. I find we have almost no prop walk in reverse. I think you are right about the feathering props not being as efficient as fixed pitch. The blade shape is a compromise without any twist for best feathering performance. We no burn more fuel for the same trip up or down the Columbia River with the Autostream by maybe 20%. Since we only use about 50-75 gallons most years this isn't an issue. The Autostream doesn't run as smooth as the stock prop. There is a little more vibration. If we ever take a long trip north up the Inland Passage (B.C and Alaska) I might put the fixed prop back on since that's an area with lots of motoring and little sailing. All in all I am satisfied with the Autostream. I chose it because it was several hundred less than either the adjustable pitch MaxProp and Autoprop. Maybe the MaxProp would be more efficient under power because it has more blade area, I don't know. I know people with all 3 types and all are happy with them. Autoprop probably gets the motoring and motorsailing award for overall efficiency. On a trip from Astoria to Barkley Sound (Vanc. Island) last summer we buddy-boated with Bob and Rick Teeter on Camelot which is a sistership - same year and all. It was strictly motoring all the way north and they burned about 32 gallons of fuel to our 40. |
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