Also, what spares should I have on board? Impellers? Fuel filters? Where do you buy them?
Thanks for you help.
Warren
Seattle, WA
Sutlej, #920, 3 cabin pullman
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seaair |
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I am setting up a toolbox for our C42 and wanted to know what tools you have found most valuable. Metric sockets and wenches? English? Stubby screwdrivers? What sizes, etc.
Also, what spares should I have on board? Impellers? Fuel filters? Where do you buy them? Thanks for you help. Warren Seattle, WA Sutlej, #920, 3 cabin pullman |
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oscar |
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I am by no means the most equipped out there, but in addition to the ability to improvise I have, so far, gotten by quite nicely with the following:
Parts: Miscellaneous SS hardware....screws, bolts, nuts, washers you can buy starter kits...projects will supply leftovers which will fill the Chinese food tubs....also electrical terminals, assorted gauge wire (12/14) black and red...I buy a spool, you can never have too much. Plastic wire ties...you can do a lot with those...hose clamps, assorted rigging hardware (kotter pins/rings) Bulbs, leftover hose from assorted projects...hose repair kits, hose clamps, electrical tape, duct tape, masking tape, ripstop, stainless steel wire, Engine...many engine dealers sell parts kits...basic or major. I have a basic...filters, impeller with gaskets, fan belt. Tools....I bought a plastic case "120-something piece kit at the discount house of worship...no they're not greatest quality, and yes they can rust...but they're cheap and you can buy a new one every so many years. Sockets, wrenches, (metric and standard), 30 different screw bits, wire snips, pliers, hammer, measuring tape....PLUS: the LARGEST crescent wrench I could find....BEST quality 4 bit screw driver, electric drill with 20 piece bit kit, stripping and crimping pliers, soldering iron.... and the two tools that have saved the day more than once: My Leatherman and the DREMMEL with a large assortment of bits, including the large cutoff wheels...(1.5 to 2 inches). I'm sure I've forgotten things, and others will add their essentials...I'll update as I think of them. Lady Kay, #76, 3CWK. |
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ragtime |
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Warren,
I think the tool kit is dependent on whether you are going someplace remote where there are no parts suppliers and also how confident you are with do-it-yourself repairs. In a lifetime of sailing, some on my C42 and most on other boats, I have experienced lots of equipment failures. However, only two of them have occurred repeatedly and required on-board repair. These are clogged fuel filters and failed raw water pump impellers. To deal with clogged fuel filters you need extra filters and the tools to change them and possibly to bleed air from the injector system. To find what you actually need on your boat I suggest that you do a simulated change. You will need the instructions for removing the first filter, probably a Racor, and maybe an oil filter wrench of the right size to unscrew it if it is on extra tight. Then you need the right size metric wrenches to remove the engine fuel filter, both the bolt holding it and the bolt that you loosen to bleed the air. Finally, you might the the correct metric wrench to loosen the injectors to further bleed the air. Additionally, I carry a quart of diesel fuel to fill the filters when I replace them. I just use a clean quart oil bottle from my last oil change. To change the raw water impeller you need a new impeller and gasket or O-ring seal. Be sure to carry one of these. Even if you can't change it yourself any mechanic can do it with your parts. If you plan to do it yourself, buy an impeller puller from JABSCO. They cost about $50 but make the job very easy. I don't know the details of your engine, but it only takes 10 minutes to change the impeller on the 4JHE with this tool. Also, carry a hose clamp to compress the vanes of the impeller. Most other failures can be done when you get home. The usual supply of wrenches, drivers, and a big hammer are often enough. Gerry Ragtime C42 #108 Annapolis, MD |
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cathyinct |
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My vote is for the following:
s/s brushes, wooden plugs, small lighter to melt the elec connectors, adj wrenches, very long screwdriver in case you need to wedge something. Basic screwdrivers, phillip, hammer, mallet, SAilkote I look at "what would be the major problems I might deal with 1. diesel absorbant square white cloths for beneath the engine and used to absorb when doing oil changes. 2. long screwdriver and wrenches for tightening steering cables... 3. oil wrench for the oil changes 4. funnels for the addition of liguids 5. teflon tape, wd 40, for thru hulls 6. rags, hand cleaners, toothbrush for odd cleaning 7. ice pick placed into some stryofoam to protect it 8. epoxy stick, some pieces of wood, dingy repair kit, 9. gel coat tubes for minor cosmetic repairs 10 pencil, prem sharpie marker, tape measurer, for misc projects 11 shackle seizing wire for main anchor and then dingy anchor 12. fuel filter, oil filter, o ring, impeller, fan belt, wrenches for fan belt, rotella ( sp) oil, 50-50 antifreeze ( sometimes a diaper is good to have to place around the diesel intake cause ours is a pain to get to and the diaper can absorb the worst if there is a spill from the site 13 oil in a very almost scringe like tube also ------------------ 14 dental floss -- hard to break. good for keeping hats on heads, to keeping the thru hull wooden things tied to thru hulls..... even tying your grill cover to the boat if you use the grill that I have. 15 polypropenline rope..... if you have kids swimming off the stern. Great cause it floats. 16 Labeler machine.... in case you need idenfify lines or your elec board 17 U bolts for dingy ? " clam thing" in case you rupture your inflatable dingy 18 3M 5200 white sealant -- good for perm attachment of stuff to stuff. Maybe two part epoxy also. 19 eye glass repair kit --- tiny screwdriver is also good for repairing kisd toys, sunglases, other glasses 20 old wine corks...... attach to hats, keys, anything 21 manual drill or batt drill ---- we take a battery vacuum with us by Blk and Decker 22 large magnet in case you loose a screw or something...... attach to small line or maybe it comes with metal rod ---good if something drops into lazarette. 23 Assorted s/s basic kit. 24. We keep a bilge float and pump on board cause we are on a mooring and not at a marina for help 25 elec tape, special bonding waterproof tape that is sold at boat shows..... can do alot with it --- I forget the brand name. 26 spare sponge paintbrushes, disp pt brush, green mask tape, pt stirer, rubber gloves, small plastic "paint pot" sized container. small pieces of var. sandpaper in baggie to keep it "usable" 27. rope whip liquid, lighter to flame ends ? 28 small pocket flashlight that fits into mouth for when you are deep into the engine room and have no hands...... we also keep a "headlight" that also is great for when the kids play with game boys or want to read at night. 29 elec ties, paint to mark anchor lengths, neoprene gloves to grab mooring lines and keep hands clean up forward 30 bigger tool bag ------ I actually have 4 "clear tubs" 1. engine 2. plumbing 3. cosmetics 4 electrical supplement our tool bag Am I long winded or what ???? CAthy in CT #558 |
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We found a toolbox that fits right down behind the windlass battery.
WM # 1997253 We also use two craftsman soft-sided bags, as well as a craftman zillion piece socket set in its own plastic case. All fit in the area under the forward salon seat. For filters, adhesives, etc, we use small cheap red tool boxes from Ace Hardware. They stack and stow neatly and we write on the outside what they contain. I found a place here in the Seattle area that makes an array of wrench wraps that are really nice. They are available at Boat Electric. The brand name is ToolPak. www.toolpak.com/ Great list, Cathy. I'm going to print it out and do an inventory! Ken Fischer 2005 C42 #906 "Solaria", 3 Cabin, Fin Keel, Mast Furling Main, 155% Genoa
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cathyinct |
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Ken -- what do you put under your nav table seat ??? That is where I stash my emerg stuff and my major tool bag. It's just so much easier access.
I put my engine supplies under the forward salon seat and that is where I stash our "drinking" gallons of water. Just curious...... I wish I could jump around someone else's 42 to see where and how they stash gear. CAthy #558 tri |
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Cathy:
I'm trying to leave the nav seat open for food supplies or other transient supplies. I agree that it is much easier to access. But, I hope the charterers have little need for the tool boxes. I'm still trying to decide where to put things. I had to fill out an inventory form with locations for everything for the charter agency. Wasn't easy. I expect I'll be making revisions. If you are ever in seattle, come and visit! Ken Fischer 2005 C42 #906 "Solaria", 3 Cabin, Fin Keel, Mast Furling Main, 155% Genoa
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seaair |
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Thanks everyone for the suggestions on tools. I have to admit, I was a little suprised that people are packing as many tools as you seem to be. I guess better safe and sorry. Besides, I like to buy tools.
Warren Seattle, WA Sutlej, #920, 3-cabin pullman |
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cathyinct |
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dont forget the allen wrench. I just had to adjust my water pump !!!!
CAthy |
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oscar |
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Lets take a step back and look at the tool issue from a distance. How involved you get in fixing and maintenance is a matter of personal preference, but the choices are not as simple as might seem on the surface.
I had my fuel flow interrupted.....serious wave action must have gotten some crud loose behind a baffle and clogged the filters. I changed them at 2am, 150 miles from the nearest land. I could have diverted by sail alone and gotten a tow in near the coast two days later with next to no battery power left, ie no running lights, no radar, MAYBE a GPS, then paid someone to fix it for me. Major headache, lots of dollars, possible unsafe situations.....I had the spares, and it took two hours to change them and I was back in business. For all intents and purpouses a non-event. If you sail on the Bay or the Sound and are never more than ten miles from your, or similar, marina, your BoatUS towing insurance, and a sizeable maintenance budget will allow you to keep your hands clean. But, sailing is also about self reliance....and being able to fix little things before they become big problems is a matter of safety. Being able to keep your engine running through minor problems like filters, belts and impellers will take care of 90% of all breakdowns. Same for your electrical system, your water/waste system, your rigging.....fixing something instead of loosing its use can take a link out of the chain...the chain of events that leads to the mishap, or just even save the "mood" of a vacation. I can keep heads working, water heaters, potable water coming out of the faucets etc. etc. If you have to find someone to do it for you all the time..... Things on boats break, period. Fix them or wait and pay.....or worse get into a nasty situation. Some of you are way ahead of me, some never touch a screwdriver....For me it's tools and parts and the determination to keep the show on the road.... Food for thought..... |
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gene |
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I just purchased my 89 123 C42 about 18 months ago and I have lots of tools stashed & cataloged throughout the boat but my favorite tool stash is the second drawer down in my nav station table. I keep the basics there ( screwdrivers, dikes, pliers,e-tape, small level, small hammer, etc). I use it all of the time. You can pull it out and bring it with you. 90% of my fixing is small fiddly things like latches, mounting fire extinguishers, installing small cabinet bumpers, etc. I also have a small 6.6V drill I keep plugged into an AC receptacle in the forward cabin on the bunk shelf.
Life is good if you have the tools and the parts. Cap'n Pelvo |
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